How the BRIT School, Rugby, and Retreats Shape Resilient Cultures | Episode 28

In this episode Simon and Rusty bring a refreshing, experience-led perspective on how to lead and live with greater intention. Through stories from a mindfulness golf retreat, a visit to the BRIT School, and a rugby camp in the U.S., Simon and Rusty uncover valuable lessons on the power of switching off to gain clarity, the role of storytelling and gratitude in growth, and what effective, purpose-driven leadership looks like in practice. 

If you’re keen to get practical insights into building more resilient, connected, and human-centred cultures - whether in organisations or everyday life - this episode is for you.

In this episode:

[00:01:15] Simon reflects on attending a mindfulness golf retreat with strangers, showing how stepping away from routine brings clarity, connection, and a mental reset.

[00:04:38] The common challenge of quieting the mind, and how storytelling and guided mindfulness offer practical ways to find calm and focus.

[00:05:30] Discussing nature’s restorative power and how time outdoors builds resilience and boosts well-being.

[00:06:37] The value of informal, non-work activities in organisations to strengthen team bonds, boost performance, and create belonging.

[00:12:23] Simon shares a touching story of meeting his late father’s friend at the retreat—and how mindfulness brought him clearer emotional and personal direction.

[00:14:32] Journaling and gratitude as growth tools—Simon explains how illustrating his retreat journal and daily reflection helped him reconnect with creativity and appreciation.

[00:18:46] Simon and Rusty’s visit to the BRIT School highlights its vibrant learning culture, strong leadership, engaged students, and low phone use as an inspiring model.

[00:40:31] The ripple effect of gratitude—listeners are invited to reach out to someone who inspired them, showing how a simple message can spark lasting positive change.

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Transcript

Simon Ursell [00:00:00]:
Simon and Rusty here with the Bounce Back Ability Podcast. The podcast that explores how to deal with obstacles, setbacks and challenges.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:00:07]:
Hope you enjoy the pod.

Simon Ursell [00:00:09]:
Looking forward to it. Listen on. Welcome to the Bounce Back Ability Podcast, everybody. Just me and Rusty today having a chat. So, yeah, we're just gonna see what we've done in the month since we were hanging out with Sam Leeming. That was a good podcast.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:00:23]:
Good fun. Sam's a good man, eh?

Simon Ursell [00:00:25]:
Yes, well, you know, you ambushed me again. So, yeah, it was quite a. It was quite sort of. It's quite a big one. I've had a few messages actually. So, you know, thanks guys for getting in touch with us. It's really nice when we hear from people because sometimes you wonder if you're just talking to yourself, don't you, Rusty? I mean, just me and Rusty, voices going out and nobody hearing it.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:00:46]:
I think both of us often are talking, just talking to ourselves.

Simon Ursell [00:00:50]:
Well, that's true. Yeah, that's fair enough.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:00:54]:
Psycho. And you do. We were just chatting and you said, I've just been on a golf retreat, Fairway to Heaven. And I didn't know if that was what it was called.

Simon Ursell [00:01:02]:
It was called Fairway to Heaven.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:01:03]:
Yeah. Nothing better than meeting new people and, and hanging with them and then a little bit. Me, I thought maybe that was just for you, maybe you enjoyed that part of it.

Simon Ursell [00:01:15]:
No, I think, I think that's you hearing something else there, buddy. I think because there's a mindfulness retreat and we played golf and I mean it was a mindfulness retreat for a week, but one of the great things about going on retreat is going without people, you know, so that you can really get stuck into it because you don't go with any baggage of relationships and that kind of stuff. So yeah, I do love meeting new people, but it was, it was good to go with a group of people. I'd never, I'd never met anybody there. So I just turned up in a room full of people from all over the world. From the US There was Germans, Australians, there was a guy from Beirut. There was people from literally all over the world in a, in a really quite an interesting Fawlty Towers esque hotel in the Scottish Highlands. So that's my thing.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:02:07]:
And were you talking of which were you, Were you. Did you free on the retreat? Yeah.

Simon Ursell [00:02:11]:
So the day was get up, meditate, have breakfast. So meditation was at 7, so, you know, up early and then an hours meditation, then breakfast. Then we did a workshop on all sorts of different things. One was like mindfulness at golf, there was other ones that they had a lady that's been knocking around the mindfulness world for. For a very long time. She came in and then. Yeah, then we'd have lunch, then we'd go and play golf. We played the most beautiful golf courses in the world, Cruden Bay, literally the most beautiful golf course in the world, widely regarded as such.

Simon Ursell [00:02:48]:
And then we'd do some more work, some more mindfulness, have dinner, more mindfulness, go home to bed and then do that for seven days. So, yeah, there wasn't a huge amount of time to be sitting on your phone or I didn't feel the need to be on it either because I had set that. I made sure that people knew I was away. So I said people still got in touch with me, but they didn't get a response. So, yeah, recommend it for anybody listening. Go on, Richard. It's awesome.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:03:17]:
Two things. One is, I think saw an image of the day and it was like, of nature. And it just said that the only people who are. Who are going too fast in life is the humans. And, you know, like, you look at the cows and they're pretty. They look pretty chill, don't they?

Simon Ursell [00:03:31]:
Oh, I got a great quote about just. Just that, really, from one of the guys who was talking to us. I don't. I've tried to find it and I can't find it. So I don't know if this is true, but. But I'll try and I'll try and I'll contact the guy and see where he got it from. But he was saying that brain Scans in the 1950s, when you compare them to modern brain scans done right now, the people now in the 1950s would have been considered schizophrenic because of the brain activity.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:04:00]:
That doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Simon Ursell [00:04:02]:
It doesn't surprise me in this. And I think when you think about it, that really doesn't. So if you can spend some time switching off from that, it's so good for you and really helps clarify your life a bit more.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:04:14]:
Yeah. And the second thing I co delivered with Suzanne and Luke the other day with tg with the gang. And Luke did an exercise of just almost like two minutes of mindfulness. And I didn't really practice it, but I worked out that I can just switch my brain off for two minutes. And it turned out that hardly anyone else could. And then it gave me a real insight into like my wife's brain versus my brain.

Simon Ursell [00:04:38]:
Yeah, I'd suggest that is pretty rare to be able to do that. Most people's brains are pretty busy places and it needs a lot of effort and work to switch it off.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:04:50]:
Yeah, it takes me no effort whatsoever.

Simon Ursell [00:04:52]:
I think there's lots of techniques around it. I mean, I think storytelling that we're doing loads of at TG at the moment, that really does switch your brain off because you have to do us to listen to or tell a story. You. You can't do anything else. So that's very. That's a good thing to. That might help people. But.

Simon Ursell [00:05:09]:
Yeah, mindfulness, doing it with someone who knows what they're doing as well, rather than just listening to apps and that sort of thing, which have a place but I don't think really work.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:05:20]:
Yeah, yeah. And then I had a. I had a day with the TG gang that you weren't there for. So not that I'm calling you out, but we were walking the cut.

Simon Ursell [00:05:28]:
I'm coming.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:05:29]:
Walk in the gut hold.

Simon Ursell [00:05:30]:
Oh, yeah, well, yeah, I was. Had a bit of a crisis to deal with on that day. It's a shame actually, because I was really looking forward to it. And that was a proper walk in the countryside, wasn't it? Connect with nature and talk to some nice people. Well, that's mindfulness.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:05:47]:
Yeah, that was very mindful. Although I was very mindful that I was behind everyone else and they were going much quicker than me.

Simon Ursell [00:05:53]:
Well, they're young. It's my world, buddy. They're all young and they're all fit and I'm always struggling behind them whenever they go anywhere.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:06:03]:
So it was pretty cool though, like, you know, a large number pit from TG and some clients and friends and a young boy that was homeschooled that came with us and led the way and looked at me sweating and struggling and probably judged you. Yeah, it was a pretty. A pretty good way to spend a Friday. 20 odd thousand steps and then rewarded with a nice bit of food at the pub at the end of it. And yeah, you just get to catch up with people and chat and it was. It was. It was great. Really.

Simon Ursell [00:06:37]:
Yeah, yeah. Sad not to be there. We're doing quite a lot of those events now. It's one of those things I think for organizations that's really worth thinking about doing is non work activities and not. Not team building because I think people get very stressed out by that kind of stuff where you got to learn and there's real activity. I think there's always a sort of tendency in businesses to try and make every squeeze, every second of productivity. They can out of the day. And actually one of the most productive things you can do is get your team just to chill out and spend a day without a purpose.

Simon Ursell [00:07:09]:
Because I think after that kind of nice refresh and reset and forming a few human connections with other people they work with, they tend to perform much better. So, you know, I think there is a real challenge and leadership around this in terms of resilience. Building in teams is not to be looking for consistent, relentless, as Mustafa would call it, search for productivity. It's counterproductive, weirdly.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:07:37]:
Yeah. It felt like quite a slowly chilled, productive day, if I'm honest.

Simon Ursell [00:07:43]:
Yeah, we connected with people, didn't you? Which feels really good and it is really useful. I think whenever you come off those days, everybody always says, why don't we do more of these? And then you don't do more of them. It's weird in it.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:07:55]:
Yeah, it's pretty good. And then lots of nature, to be honest. I've been to Slovenia where I went swimming with Jeff Williams, who I used to coach. We went for a river swim there and me and Fred just went to Iceland and went in. In lagoons and volcanic craters. And so I've. I've definitely been appreciating nature in the last kind of.

Simon Ursell [00:08:15]:
Wow. So how come were you in. What were you doing in Slovenia and Iceland then?

Rusty Earnshaw [00:08:20]:
Well, I was actually in. It's actually in Italy helping Belgium Sevens with Jeff, which was pretty cool. So, yes, I actually did a session against Italy and Rusty took over a little bit.

Simon Ursell [00:08:36]:
Did he?

Rusty Earnshaw [00:08:37]:
And turned it. Turned it into a. Turned it into a real good, like scenario type session. So again, we would, you know, practice is a really important thing. And so how often had the players practiced some of the scenarios they were going to encounter in the Europeans? So we did that for a day with some pretty, I think some pretty frustrated Italian coaches, if I'm honest.

Simon Ursell [00:09:00]:
Did you annoy the Italian coaches, Rusty?

Rusty Earnshaw [00:09:03]:
I think both teams qualified for the challenger, so maybe they are less irritated now. But it was. It was that whole kind of. Yeah, the game judges your trainings, so could we create stuff that felt like the game? And it was like there was yellow cards and a bit of Rusty's poor refereeing and all that stuff. So I appreciated that and what I did appreciate as well, and I loved this. Now I can't remember if I told you about this, but every evening the Belgian guys sat round and they did storytelling. They had a hat. So they all just.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:09:38]:
We were at dinner and suddenly everyone forms this circle and they tell stories from the day usually about, you know, someone else about something they've done that was great, or, you know, a story that we learned from or. And then at the end, they have a vote. The best story. And there's a hat. There's a hat that the. The storyteller of the day wears. And then they add objects to the hat based upon the story.

Simon Ursell [00:10:04]:
You just. This is ludicrously good.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:10:07]:
I know.

Simon Ursell [00:10:08]:
Wow.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:10:08]:
So I was like. Because this is obviously like, you know, you go back in time and every.

Simon Ursell [00:10:14]:
Single sports coach listening to this should be doing.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:10:19]:
Should be doing it.

Simon Ursell [00:10:19]:
100%, 100 team would love it. The learning would be insane. That is so cool. Wow.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:10:27]:
Don't form. Yeah. And don't formalize it. It felt very informal. It felt so. I thought you would like that. That was pretty cool.

Simon Ursell [00:10:35]:
Obviously, I'm gonna love that. That's right up my alley. That's. That's a. Very much fueling my bias, as you would say.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:10:42]:
Yeah. So that was. That was Slovenia because it's just over the border to Italy. And then Iceland, because I was going to Boston with my son and we stopped in Iceland because it looks pretty cool. It's very expensive, but it is like another world, really, if I'm honest. Like, it's like you expect a dinosaur to appear at any point.

Simon Ursell [00:11:03]:
Y.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:11:04]:
Kids have been.

Simon Ursell [00:11:05]:
I've never been. My kids are so well traveled and I'm not.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:11:10]:
I tell you what. So two things that, like, for Iceland. One was like, I imagine the people are, like, really hardy because of the conditions they face. And it's, you know, it's a relatively isolated place. So the people were absolutely incredible, which was. Which was super cool. And then the other thing is, at the moment there's only three hours of darkness, so just that extra vitamin D. Yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:11:39]:
Was pretty because I felt really, like, alive. Productive. Even though I wasn't really working. I did some bits and bobs, but yeah, it was just nice that. So we were there for four days, and I didn't see darkness in four days, which. Which you might think is really annoying, but I didn't find it annoying at the slightest.

Simon Ursell [00:12:02]:
No, I wouldn't find that annoying. I was. I mean, I was up in the highlands on my retreat, and yeah, the. The days were very, very long there too. Not quite the same, but pretty long. So. Yeah, I kind of know what you mean. It was lovely to be able to be out and about at 10 at night and the sun's still up.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:12:17]:
Yeah, it's cool. What were your top bits from the Retreat or the bits that. Yeah, well, I met.

Simon Ursell [00:12:23]:
I met one of my dad's best mates randomly, and my dad died in 2016. So I was sat in a curry house chatting to a guy called Larry, who was sat next to me, and we were talking. I was talking about my dad used to. Who's a doctor. Larry's a doctor. And my dad used to play in a thing called the Medical Golf Society, where he played like a Ryder cup against other. Against Americans. So the Americans and the British would play each other at golf.

Simon Ursell [00:12:47]:
Loved it. Used to do all the time. And Larry said, oh, what was his name? It's Bill Ursel. And he gave me a sign, oh, my God, that's one of his best mates. And that was just random. Random. So that was. That blew my mind.

Simon Ursell [00:12:56]:
Quite emotional because it was like meeting my dad again. So that was really lovely. But, yeah, probably. I mean, we did. We did a lot of mindfulness, a lot of meditation, and I've learned that getting up in the morning and doing a bit of meditation before the start of the day really sets you up well. So I've been trying to build that into my day, even. Even if it's a very minor way, but I try and do a bit of mindfulness before I start the day. So that was really cool.

Simon Ursell [00:13:21]:
But probably just the. The clarity it's given me around what I'm doing. So I'm doing lots of coaching of businesses, so I'm loving it. And there's something I want to do more of and, you know, with the relationship, my relationship with TG and how that's going, which is really great. It's so valuable and something I want to really try and grow. So, yeah, it's the clarity around a week of being able to reset, think, really sit on things that are going on around me is it's very, very powerful stuff. And I met cool people, just really cool people. There's people from all over the world.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:14:03]:
So have we got all our podcasts? Soy for the next two years?

Simon Ursell [00:14:06]:
I think I could probably go on and on about it. But then, you know, we both. We've both got quite a lot of experiences going on, aren't we? So we're not exactly sure of topics, are we? I mean.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:14:17]:
Well, I thought that. So I don't know how you. I look back to the day of the last pod, and then I looked through all my old photos.

Simon Ursell [00:14:24]:
Yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:14:25]:
So I. I was like. Because it's quite hard to, you know, like, a lot happens in a month, doesn't it, when You're Simon or Rusty.

Simon Ursell [00:14:32]:
Well, that's true. And. And you know, I've mentioned on the pod a few times about journaling. And so I've got my journal here, which sadly I can't show everybody but Rusty. There you go. That, this is, this is from the retreat. So these are all the houses. So that's the retreat there.

Simon Ursell [00:14:51]:
So that's, that's a little circle we did with a candle where we did our mindfulness every morning.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:14:56]:
And have you drawn a picture there as well?

Simon Ursell [00:14:58]:
Yeah, there's a little picture of a door and a landscape because I. So when we started off, we had to take a card each from the floor and there was a word written on each card. Things like resilience or beauty or kindness or challenge, those types of words. And I picked my card up and it was blank. And I was like, ah, they've just given me a blank one. They've made a mistake. And then I thought this, you know, in a few seconds I suddenly thought, ah, no, it's obviously supposed to be blank. So yeah, I drew a picture because I took the blank card is a little square little rectangle card.

Simon Ursell [00:15:36]:
And I took the blank to be like a doorway. So yeah, I was thinking about things that I need to get on with, walk through the door and do stuff. So yeah, that was, that's what that picture was about. And then, yeah, there's. There's some people have played on the first day, some more people have played golf with. There's Vin Harris who ran the retreat. He's an amazing guy. But yeah, they're having a.

Simon Ursell [00:16:01]:
There's a pick that's. That's 11 o' clock at night. Sun's not quite set. Looking out my hotel window over the Murray Firth. There's Larry. That's me and Larry having a chast at my dad's movies. There's Finn having dinner on the last day. Yeah.

Simon Ursell [00:16:19]:
And then back to sort of day to day. There's me with the TG guys playing a card game on our, on our night out. It's just really, it's a lovely way of seeing what happened during.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:16:29]:
Yeah, yeah. You got a little scrapbook.

Simon Ursell [00:16:32]:
Recognize that?

Rusty Earnshaw [00:16:33]:
Oh yeah. Well, we've also been to the Brit school.

Simon Ursell [00:16:36]:
Yeah, we've got to talk about that.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:16:37]:
Haven'T we, on my list? Yeah, I'm enjoying your little scrapbook. And just quickly, I'm curious, how have you found. When you speak about having clarity of you when you've come back to like real life? Using my fingers at that point.

Simon Ursell [00:16:54]:
Yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:16:55]:
How do you found that challenging? Have you found that it's actually been great? Have you found that you've gone back to some habits you didn't want to quite quickly? I'm curious how that reintegration's worked.

Simon Ursell [00:17:10]:
I would say all of the above, but the. Primarily I came back feeling great. I mean, really good and I felt normal. Didn't feel in any way. I just turn up. Everybody else around me has said that I looked and sounded. And it was the sort of tone of my voice. I mean, very calm.

Simon Ursell [00:17:29]:
Yeah, I'm very sort of. And I don't. I mean, I hadn't noticed, but other people are reflecting back to me that I'm seem to be in a slightly more sort of chilled out, soothed kind of state, which I think is probably true. I am. I'm sort of seeing things with a bit more clarity and perspective, so not getting quite so challenged or stressed about stuff. Yeah, it's cool, isn't it? That's other people saying that though, not me.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:17:56]:
Maybe some pod listeners will listen in and go, oh, Simon, sounds a bit more chilled. And you'll get a few messages.

Simon Ursell [00:18:02]:
Yeah, yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:18:03]:
The white T shirt is making me think of Live Aid as well. I don't know why. So.

Simon Ursell [00:18:08]:
Oh, live mate. I went to that.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:18:09]:
Yeah, yeah. So maybe you've. Maybe you're back in time to Live Aid. I didn't know you'd been to Live Aid, but that's pretty cool as well.

Simon Ursell [00:18:18]:
Yeah, yeah. It was 89, wasn't it? I was. I just left school. It was in the summer. It was in this. I think it was in the summer after I'd left school. There was a. There was also.

Simon Ursell [00:18:28]:
There was Live Aid, but there was also a marathon the next day. Run the World, I think it was called. So I did the. Yeah, there was a London marathon. I did that afterwards, which was a challenge given I'd had too much fun the night before.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:18:42]:
Yeah. But gone then. Talk to me about Brit school. What we, ah.

Simon Ursell [00:18:46]:
I mean, you, you. I've never been. I've met quite a few people from Brit school, so I knew the sort of person that was likely to be there. But you, you talk about it a lot. I don't think you can really describe it, can you? I mean, you talk about a heck of a lot and it's your favorite place and obviously that's quite. That's going to make me really want. Really curious about it because you're, you know, you're a great guy and if it's your favorite place, then it's got to be pretty good. So.

Simon Ursell [00:19:17]:
Yeah, but it didn't really prepare me for the reality of it. It's astonishing.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:19:22]:
Oh, good words.

Simon Ursell [00:19:23]:
I really do. I think it's astonishing. I think it's. We went in a room, didn't we, with what, about 50 kids doing dance? It's about 50.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:19:31]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Simon Ursell [00:19:33]:
One teacher, I think, in most schools and a real variety of age group as well. I think they were from sort of right up to year 13, from year seven. I think we're in that room doing dancing together. Unbelievably talented, as you'd expect at the Brit school. But it wasn't so much that. That I was taken with. It was just the focus and the smiling and the absolute enthusiasm for what they were doing. And I think it's quite easy to say, oh, it would be like that because it's selective and you're going to get kids that are really engaged.

Simon Ursell [00:20:05]:
I just don't buy that. I think it's the environment that they're in, it's the ownership that they have and the leadership is provided to them by a really talented group. Say, I loved it. Rusty, as you can tell.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:20:20]:
Nice. Yeah, I would. All that stuff. I think Stuart is one of the best leaders I've ever met.

Simon Ursell [00:20:26]:
That's the head.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:20:27]:
Yeah, yeah. I love his. I love his dress code. Probably signals what's important. What's important and isn't dress code. I think it's. Yeah, they have real clarity on stuff, which is helpful on why they're there and what they're trying to do. And, you know, it's no kids on phones either.

Simon Ursell [00:20:47]:
I mean, that was just that everybody's saying that to me. As I was walking around, a few of the other guys who were with us, they all said none of their kids were on their phones. What's going on? I mean, they were a little bit. They got their phones out occasionally, but they were just sat around in little groups chatting away. None of them were on their phones. It was. That was bonkers.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:21:03]:
Kids that are engaged, teachers that are able to hold their attention. Yeah, I just think it's a beautiful place, if I'm honest. And. Yeah, and as they said, like trying to equip them for, you know, if we talk about, like, resilience and that, like the reality of the performing arts world when you leave the school and go into, you know, auditions and no's and no's and another no and more nights and the hard hours and starting from the bottom and equipping Those people so they can be industry ready is, it's like amazing really.

Simon Ursell [00:21:40]:
Yeah, I mean it is, it was. You know, they're very proud of their alumni, the, you know, the sort of Amy Whitehouses of this world and all these incredible people who've, who've been through there. I mean astonishing the number of people that they've managed to create. They're the most successful performing art school in the world, don't they? I mean that was another stat that got reeled out, which doesn't surprise me.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:22:01]:
Yeah.

Simon Ursell [00:22:02]:
But then this is one of the things that I find so frustrating in organizational leadership. You know, the Brit school is the best, most successful place in the world. Chair. There are examples of similar brilliance knocking around you and I tend to try and go and visit these sorts of places. I mean I, I certainly do military, for example, sport environments, real high performance environments and have a look and see what they're doing. But if most people in organizations are stuck in a single thought, this is the way it is, this is how it works and this is what must be done. They're not, and they're not often not performing all that well. And then they turn around and go, well it's everyone else, it's, you know, it's government, it's the organization, it's the people in it.

Simon Ursell [00:22:57]:
It's, there's a lot of, there's a real lack of self reflection in a lot of organizations and I think that is essential to coaching, isn't it? It's certainly resilience wise is environment and leadership as we've discovered over the last sort of what couple of years we've been doing this now, I don't know how long it is actually. Must be getting on for it.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:23:18]:
Yeah, yeah. I mean the human brain will default when it's quite easily to stay alive and unless those organizations are struggling. I think that's when you often see change, you know, when, when you hit the bottom. Yeah. The Welsh will be union at the moment's a really good example, isn't it? Where they've, they've been quite bad for quite a few years and they go, it couldn't get any worse. And then they lose to Japan in their test. And then, and now suddenly like they've hit the bottom and now, okay, we're now potentially going to go from four regions to two. We're going to bring in a new guy, we're going to bring in Den Redding, we're going to do like suddenly there's change that could have happened years ago, but people would just keep doing the same thing.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:24:04]:
And yeah, my sense is that again, I go back to the British school, I think they've got really strong principles that guide them. Creativity is like vital, like it's so important. So if that guides them then they're probably gonna, they're probably going to try some stuff, aren't they? The other one that I love is that whether I swear or not, but we think all kids are effing amazing.

Simon Ursell [00:24:34]:
Oh yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:24:35]:
And the teenage brain is the most exciting brain to work with.

Simon Ursell [00:24:39]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:24:41]:
Whereas lots of other people would go, well, they're annoying. Kids are annoying. Yeah. They're not. The teenage brain is like really frustrating.

Simon Ursell [00:24:53]:
Well, because it's breaking norms, isn't it?

Rusty Earnshaw [00:24:56]:
Yeah.

Simon Ursell [00:24:56]:
I mean I loved it and you know, keep banging on about it. The storytelling was astonishing.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:25:03]:
Yeah.

Simon Ursell [00:25:03]:
You know we had the head came in and spoke to us, the head of maths, which I thought was just a genius move bringing the head of maths in because you're like, it's the Brit school. I don't want to speak to the head of mass, I want to speak to the amazing voice coach. But the head of mass came in and talked about how he, how he teaches and it was just brilliant. I mean the guy's superb.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:25:24]:
Yeah. We haven't got a math degree and the maths results went up by 35.

Simon Ursell [00:25:28]:
Yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:25:29]:
He sold two and a half, 250, 000 chairs once he was in, he was in a completely another world. But they appointed him because he, he quite liked music.

Simon Ursell [00:25:39]:
Yeah, yeah. Well they just get a feeling, don't they? It's nice.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:25:43]:
Yeah, yeah. And that was, you know, we had a good chat actually with Stuart about recruitment, didn't we? And one of the things Stuart said that I appreciated and it's probably quite helpful for people that are either running teams or stuff is like be a fan of what the kids are a fan of. So actually just like be really interested in like what it is that your people are interested in as well. So you can build connection, you can understand them a bit better. I thought that was a really helpful thing he said.

Simon Ursell [00:26:13]:
Yeah, it really is. I think it's something a lot of organizations don't pay enough at the pro. I would say organizations I'm working with probably aren't paying enough attention to that. So it's something to really work. It's obvious in it. I mean a lot of this stuff is forehead slapping the obvious. You know, you just think, what the hell? How the hell am I not paying attention to what my team are interested in. I mean if you're not doing that then you, then your leadership is just a bit broken.

Simon Ursell [00:26:44]:
So yeah, I'm thinking really need to help people understand their people more because it tends to be such a top down approach to leadership which just doesn't work.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:26:55]:
Yeah, I had a couple of other quotes that they said. One was like, I think Stuart said again, we, we just encourage adventure. I love that idea of that.

Simon Ursell [00:27:05]:
Fantastic.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:27:06]:
I love the fact they chatted about like removing fear from people. I actually, I did my old school speech there the other day and I went a bit rogue, much to my mum's disgust who at one point, at one point threatened not to come because I wasn't gonna dress smartly. But the headmistress said, dress, dress how you want. But my mom did give, did tell me it was brilliant with capital letters. But one of the questions I asked the. I basically told a few stories and, and then asked them some questions to think about. And then if anyone wanted to share then. And they did share.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:27:41]:
But one of the questions I asked was what if, you know, what would you, what could you achieve if you weren't afraid? And there's some amazing answers for that. And then the other thing that really landed with me from the Brit school was just how they look after their people after they leave. So you know, we're, we're available forever after you leave.

Simon Ursell [00:28:02]:
Yeah, the alumni thing.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:28:05]:
Yeah. I think it's something that we do pretty well at tg. But I'm sure like as most places, I think obviously I was in another lifetime. I played for Bath and I think Bath do it really well. John hall, who's the president at the moment is amazing at involving the alumni and connecting with them and putting on events and it's quite nice to feel part of that family. I actually probably feel more of that family now than I did when I was part of the club, to be honest.

Simon Ursell [00:28:33]:
Yeah, yeah. I mean that's so true. And it is something that I think organizations could do better. I think there's a real tendency in the business world if someone leaves to sort of. It's like, you're dead to me now. I'm not talking to you anymore. Which is really weird. So we've got this huge event which I'm also not going to, by the way.

Simon Ursell [00:28:50]:
Oh, I'm so. I'm gen. I'm absolutely devastated. I really am. Genuinely devastated. It's TG15. It's our 15th anniversary. We couldn't do 10th anniversary because of COVID So we're doing TG15 and said JB, John, the MD has organized this incredible event with wonderful people, but we've invited everybody who's worked at TG pretty much.

Simon Ursell [00:29:13]:
I mean, some are coming, some aren't, but yeah, it's all the people that have been around us and helped us build what we think is a wonderful business. Are you going to.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:29:22]:
I can't go either.

Simon Ursell [00:29:23]:
Oh, the only reason I can't go is my son's graduation, which is pretty much the only thing that would have stopped me because I'm not missing my son's graduation. Obviously it's pretty much the only thing that would have stopped me again, but that's going to be. That's going to be special.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:29:39]:
And I think that is very cool.

Simon Ursell [00:29:41]:
If you do these events, getting people that have been part of it, because there's some of those people are challenging. You know, you've only got to go on our glass door profile at Target Grange and see some pretty crappy comments of people who don't like us. But then, you know, when you, when you break norms, you're going to get people who are annoyed with you say, I don't actually mind that, but some of those people are coming that would write those kinds of things.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:30:07]:
Yeah, that's cool, isn't it? I mean, you learn a lot from. You learn a lot from those people, don't you? And that's awesome that they would feel. Yeah, that part in the journey so.

Simon Ursell [00:30:18]:
Far is celebrating that. And, you know, we got some absolutely unbelievably cool people coming to talk, which I just can't believe John's persuaded them to come. I'm not allowed to say because this, this will probably go out after that event's happened, but I'm not saying anyway, just in case. Well, but it's going to be pretty cool.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:30:37]:
So, yeah, I've heard David Attenborough go in.

Simon Ursell [00:30:40]:
David Attim. That would be good. I don't think he is going maybe, but I don't think he is. I don't actually know all the people going. So it's gonna got live music. It's being held in a botanical gardens in Birmingham, so it's going to be quite connected to nature as well. So given Tyler Grange and what we do, that's important to us. So, yeah, it's a.

Simon Ursell [00:31:02]:
It's something for everyone to think about, that alumni thing and certainly from the Brit school, we really picked that up. I certainly did. That's one of the things, because I took Carly with me from TG and we were talking about that. How do we connect with people and try and support them. Not just connect with them, but provide support to them so that there's not a. I'd love it to be a lot grayer, as in not this sort of. You're either in TG or you're out. It'd be much nicer.

Simon Ursell [00:31:28]:
And we actually thinking aloud. There's loads of people that have left Tardigrange that still then work with us on. In other ways once they've gone and done something different. John talks about a guy that he wanted to surf. That's all he really wanted to do. He's an ecologist. And John with. John sat him down.

Simon Ursell [00:31:49]:
They worked out how he could work from his surf van on the beach and work how he wanted to. He couldn't really do that as an employee. But he left. We helped him set his own little business up and now he. He works for us and he spends a lot of time with his family and surfing. So, you know, living the dream. That's nice, isn't it?

Rusty Earnshaw [00:32:08]:
Yeah. That is living the dream. That is living the dream. Have you watched Stats? Have you watched Stats on Netflix?

Simon Ursell [00:32:16]:
I've watched stats five times, I think. Yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:32:20]:
In fact, I'm on my second. I'm on my second.

Simon Ursell [00:32:23]:
Oh, mate. Every time I watch it, I. Yeah, I was very taken with it. I spent.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:32:26]:
You've got even more notes.

Simon Ursell [00:32:28]:
Is it. There's a. There's a page that. That is my Stutz at diary entry. That's the first time I watch it.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:32:35]:
There's the life force on the left hand side.

Simon Ursell [00:32:37]:
Yes, I've got life force which is, you know, mainly your body, exercise and diet, people relationships and then yourself. Your relationship with your unconscious self. And then I've got part X. If you haven't watched Stats, watch it.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:32:52]:
Part X is helpful.

Simon Ursell [00:32:54]:
I think so. Yeah. I've said I've made my kids watch it. So they say, oh, sharp, dad. But I've made them watch it and they really enjoyed it. And you got the three aspects of reality, which is a tough thing to say, but it's so true. Pain, uncertainty and constant work. Once you can cope with that, then you're all good.

Simon Ursell [00:33:13]:
And I love the idea that part X is the super villain, isn't it? Yeah, you know, it's the. It's the villain. It's the villain and you need a villain and you've got to overcome something to achieve whatever it is. The hero of the story, which is you, is trying to achieve so you need a villain to overcome and that's part X. So that's all of that tough stuff. Yeah, it's cool. I've used it a fair bit actually in my coaching.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:33:36]:
Glad you've loved it.

Simon Ursell [00:33:38]:
I think it would be hard not to, wouldn't it? I mean, I'm. I'm very interested because I know I found out how you found out about the book. Did you? You bought the book?

Rusty Earnshaw [00:33:49]:
Phil Studs, Barry Mickels the tools 5 Life changing techniques to unlock your potential. It will be sat by the side of the swimming pool in Spain tomorrow reading this.

Simon Ursell [00:34:03]:
That's very cool because I. Because you, you know, you're. You like you say, oh, I don't do mindfulness and all this stuff. I mean that is, it is just mindfulness what he's talking about there. It's interesting. And I know how you found out about Stutz as well, which you didn't tell me.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:34:18]:
Suzanne.

Simon Ursell [00:34:19]:
Yeah, well, it was Luke.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:34:22]:
No, it was Suzanne. So I've been watching.

Simon Ursell [00:34:24]:
They both seen it. And you, you were talking about it.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:34:27]:
I was talking about a documentary on BBC called. I think it's called Change youe Mind, Change youe Life.

Simon Ursell [00:34:33]:
Oh, yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:34:33]:
And yeah, and I said, I'm watching this thing, it's really good. And they both looked at me in disgust. Like it would be a bit like saying, oh, there's this amazing show about relationships that I also love. It's called Love is Blind.

Simon Ursell [00:34:48]:
Yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:34:49]:
People would look at me in disgust.

Simon Ursell [00:34:50]:
Yeah, that is. That is definite disgust looking, Suzanne.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:34:54]:
And then she just said, yeah, this is the. This is what you should be watching, Rusty. So I did watch it and it is very good.

Simon Ursell [00:35:00]:
That is good.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:35:01]:
And she's given me another one. I think it's called the Patient. Yeah. Which is a documentary on Apple tv.

Simon Ursell [00:35:07]:
She did the same for me. Yes, she's done the same for me and I haven't watched it in either. So we both need to watch that before the next pod, don't we? I think your eye is called the Patient. I think. Yeah, but she said that was even better. Say I'm gonna need to have some time for my brain to explode. So if it is even better. Yeah, Love starts.

Simon Ursell [00:35:31]:
That was. That's a really. That's a good watch. Quite a tough watch in places, I think. I think that will challenge people who are watching it. So, yeah, as a, as a sort of warning to the listeners, if you're gonna watch stats and you know you're feeling super challenged, you maybe wanna do it with someone else.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:35:49]:
Yeah, I don't know, I, I just liked it. I like the bit we didn't realize when I rewatched it again, where they said, we've been filming this for two years and we've basically got nothing helpful at this point.

Simon Ursell [00:36:00]:
Spoilers.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:36:00]:
But yeah, yeah, see, we need to do this differently. I was like, I'd love, I'd love to see how poor it was for the first two years. But yeah, it's.

Simon Ursell [00:36:10]:
I bet it was pretty good, though. I mean, he's, he's got. Definitely got perfectionist tendencies, that man, isn't he? So I think he's pretty good at what he does. But, yeah, unbelievably good. Unbelievably good. Watch. Yeah, like I said, I've been five times. I watched it myself, watched it with my wife, made my kids watch it and I watched it a couple of times back to myself because I wanted to take some notes.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:36:32]:
Made my kids watch it. Made my kids.

Simon Ursell [00:36:35]:
Yeah, I know that's not necessarily that healthy, but they, they actually enjoyed it and they don't. They. They indulge their dad, they're nice to me and they.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:36:42]:
I've got a. I don't know whether it's just been in. Obviously just been in America. We had a camp girls in the US. There's about 70 kids there. Amazing. It's one of my. It's.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:36:53]:
It's such a beautiful time. Great coaches. And then a girl told me, this, this will break you. So I thought, I'm going to tell you it just to see exactly how calm you are. So we were. We got to the last day, which we play some, some, some games, some matches, and one of the girls wasn't really able to do contact. So anyway, someone told her that it just led to this kind of probably about a 10 out of 10 reaction, which I like. One of the things Simon Sinek says, he says if the reaction's over six, it's not about that thing.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:37:28]:
Okay. And so it clearly wasn't about that thing. And then anyway, I got. I actually stepped in because this isn't my bag, this stuff. I'm not normally that good at this stuff. So I was like, I'm going to step in, I'm going to be curious. I'm going to, you know, I'm going to have a go at this. I appreciate your smile of.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:37:45]:
Oh, my God, Rusty. Nice. This happens. Yeah. My coaches tell me I'm not good enough to play and I shouldn't be playing rugby. I'm never good enough, like. And then it will. Obviously all behavior makes sense.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:38:01]:
And that was just like in my head, I'm just going. Because we both agree that sport done well is a brilliant way to develop belonging, resilience, bounce back, ability, all those things. And then sports. Anyway, by the way, she, we, we turned it around. She played and then afterwards she said, I'm coming back next year. This has been great. But there was a, a moment of just pure anger inside me of again leadership and coaching and the roles, the. And if I just tie it back to.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:38:34]:
I'm going to tie it back to the, to the Brit school. A bit of a meander there. But like one of the first things Stuart said is I just want you all to think about the teacher that lit your fire. They're like lit a fire for you around a subject or a sport or whatever it is. And again, all those coaches had the opportunity to do that for this young person and they have neglected that responsibility. Which do you think, do you think.

Simon Ursell [00:39:02]:
That they said to her, you're not good enough or do you think they made her feel like she wasn't good enough?

Rusty Earnshaw [00:39:09]:
No, they'd actually said like, you're not good enough to play rugby. Shouldn't be playing.

Simon Ursell [00:39:14]:
Really?

Rusty Earnshaw [00:39:15]:
Yeah.

Simon Ursell [00:39:16]:
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I can, I can, I can feel the anger rising in me, definitely.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:39:21]:
So even, even Live Aid relaxed Simon.

Simon Ursell [00:39:24]:
Yeah, I'm definitely not.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:39:28]:
Yeah.

Simon Ursell [00:39:28]:
Not enjoying that coach. Well, the thing is, you know what? I feel really sad for that girl, but I do feel really sad for the coach because he's obviously. She's obviously probably a he in it, let's be honest. Yeah, there we go. I would, I would say he's probably got some problems would be my guess. Yeah, I don't think he's going to be that well. So if you're a coach and you're saying that stuff like that to people, get some help because there's something wrong with you.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:39:56]:
Maybe, maybe the ripple effect. For anyone listening, it was interesting. Again, I went back to school, did a speech day and spoke about two teachers who. My science teachers, Mr. Frank, used to throw sodium in the water before it was illegal. Good lad.

Simon Ursell [00:40:10]:
Love it.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:40:11]:
And Mr. Mankin, who used to bring the mercury out before it was illegal, both inspired me and in science. But maybe if we got all the listeners to. If people have made it this far to just message the one or two people that have lit a fire for you, that might be a good waivers.

Simon Ursell [00:40:30]:
Oh yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:40:31]:
That's creating more of a ripple effect from the, from the pod. So if, if the two Listeners.

Simon Ursell [00:40:36]:
That's a bit of stuff right there. Gratitude.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:40:38]:
Yeah, yeah. So with the gratitude, it's the ripple effect. So if our two listeners each message, two people, then we'll get, you know, four people that are happy.

Simon Ursell [00:40:48]:
Oh, yeah, please. If you're listening to this, maybe, maybe. And it would be nice if we did get some, some comms from the listeners. So if you could, if you could maybe just let us know you've done it or if you can share who you've spoken to, that would be even better. But it would be nice to know that there are some people out there doing that. I mean, we did that on the coach. We would. We had a long trip to a golf course on the coach.

Simon Ursell [00:41:08]:
We all got given a bit of paper and an envelope and we had to write to two people that we admired and thank them for something. So we did two letters of gratitude, wrote them down, wrote the address and then gave them back in. And then they were pasted for us. Lovely messages from both those people as well, which is kind of nice. Yeah, of course. I mean, you're going to get, well, you know, given you sale receive, you know, if. When you do stuff like that, you get a lot back. So there's definitely, you know, if you want a transactional approach to doing that, you're going to get good stuff happen to you if you do that.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:41:42]:
Yeah.

Simon Ursell [00:41:43]:
This is the sort of thing that really, you know, you did. The more of those, the more gratitude you can put out there, the more you're going to get back. I think it's. It's a huge superpower. Anyway, we should, we should probably wind up so you know what, this month then, Rusty and I. I can go second if you. I can go first or second if you like what's been. What's been the best thing that's happened in the month.

Simon Ursell [00:42:05]:
A bit of gratitude.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:42:08]:
Then. Those are my son.

Simon Ursell [00:42:10]:
Ah, yeah. A bit of gratitude around. That was it.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:42:13]:
I tell you a funny, can't tell you funny story.

Simon Ursell [00:42:15]:
Go on.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:42:15]:
So it's really expensive.

Simon Ursell [00:42:17]:
Don't tell anyone else. Just me.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:42:19]:
I sent. Yeah, just you. I sent Fred. I said, look, I've been on booking dot com. Here's the options. I really like this one. So when I went to Amsterdam last year, I stayed in like a pod hotel. It was a bit like sleeping in an ultrasound machine.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:42:34]:
But it was a really nice hotel. I actually enjoyed it because it simplifies everything. Yeah. And you don't spend time in your room then you're just out all the time. So and it was really not. It was really nice. Anyway, there's a POD place in Iceland we check and recommend. I sent it to Fred.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:42:50]:
Anyway, we arrived in the hotel and I said, oh. I said, I'm gonna book it. Oh, no, no. The lady in the hotel said, oh, do you want the top one or the bottom one? So there's like, these. There's a. There's a standing area and then there's a. A bed, and then there's a bed beneath it. But they're obviously separate.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:43:07]:
They're two separate pods.

Simon Ursell [00:43:08]:
Yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:43:08]:
But if you can imagine, like, there's an L shape and a. I know.

Simon Ursell [00:43:11]:
That got you good image.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:43:13]:
And Fred said. He said, I'll take the bolt, the top one, and, dad, you can have the bottom one. I was like, no, no, we're sharing the same one. Can't afford to do both. So we're all afraid. And then. And then. Because they're quite cool.

Simon Ursell [00:43:30]:
You're a mean dad.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:43:33]:
They have a thing that holds your camera. So you put your camera there, you put it on time, and it takes a selfie of you in the bed. Oh. I was like, oh, we got on the self.

Simon Ursell [00:43:43]:
Do you really want to do a selfie?

Rusty Earnshaw [00:43:44]:
Oh, my God.

Simon Ursell [00:43:45]:
That is. That is. That is not a kind father.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:43:50]:
So 10 days with Fred having amazing experiences, seeing geezers going in volcanoes, going to lagoons. Like, the whole works is pretty epic, if I'm honest. And he's just coached with me in the US and he's been absolutely brilliant with the kids. I love him.

Simon Ursell [00:44:06]:
So I can imagine he's a lovely kid. Yeah. Well, mine's obviously fairway to heaven. Vince, shout out to Finn Harris if he listens to this. Thank you for organizing it. It's 27 years they've been doing it. It was the last one, actually. On the last one, it was the last one they're ever going to be because they're all in their 70s.

Simon Ursell [00:44:24]:
The guys who've been doing it, they've been doing it for a long time. So it was real privilege to go on the last one because it was really.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:44:30]:
Wow.

Simon Ursell [00:44:30]:
It meant a lot to these guys because they've been. Not that I came that they. That they. Very grateful for these years they've been doing it. And they've really. I mean, the. The lives they've affected. It's astonishing.

Simon Ursell [00:44:41]:
And the last. So we played a mat, and it was about half the people there were from the U.S. so we. We playing golf. Nobody was worrying about how they were playing because that kind of Defeats the object of it. But on the last day. On the last.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:44:54]:
Apart from James Harmer, who would care? Yeah, if Armor was there, he would have cared.

Simon Ursell [00:44:59]:
Yeah, 100%. And then they say they came in last. They would. So the three guys who organized it in another chap, they. They walked up. They're walking up the last. And we all clap at them as they're coming up the 18th, which is really nice. And they.

Simon Ursell [00:45:11]:
They both sunk huge putts, and we all cheered, which was kind of cool. And then as they were walking up, because the green was below us and they're walking up the hill, a massive rainbow appeared right over them.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:45:22]:
Oh, wow.

Simon Ursell [00:45:23]:
Like, really, really big one. It was. So. Yeah, that was the whole thing. Oh, and on the. On the first tee, as we went off, we were piped by a piper off the first tee. So I've never hit a golf shot with a. With the bagpipes playing before, so that was.

Simon Ursell [00:45:37]:
That was pretty special. Yeah.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:45:39]:
Was it a good shot or was it a bit of a. From the back?

Simon Ursell [00:45:43]:
Well, I absolutely nailed it, but it went very right and there was a road going along. It hit the road, hit a wall, and bounced back onto the fairway. So an out of bounds and back inbounds again. So it was a great shot, but not because I was any good. So, yeah, that was. That was quite funny. Anyway, on that. On that note, thanks for listening, everybody.

Simon Ursell [00:46:08]:
We'll be back in a month with another Simon and Rusty. And then we've got a guest. And I've got a guest for you, Rusty. And I'm debating as to whether I tell you who it is, but don't tell me. Should I not tell you? I'll surprise you. It's a very good one.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:46:21]:
You need to surprise me.

Simon Ursell [00:46:22]:
Yeah, you will. It's going to be one. I'm gonna. I'm gonna call it now and say you will love this guest.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:46:30]:
Okay.

Simon Ursell [00:46:31]:
I don't know, but, yeah, actually, you will definitely love this guest. It's just. I just think it's. There's going to be a lot of talk about things that. Yeah, anyway, I'm gonna leave it there. It's exciting, but that won't be that. So where are this one's? This is July, so August will be you and me again. So this.

Simon Ursell [00:46:50]:
This is September's pod. So, yeah, listen out for that, everybody. All right, have a great one.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:46:54]:
Bye for now. Thanks so much for joining us on the Band Speckability podcast with Simon Russell. We've really enjoyed your company. If you want to reach out to us, Simon. Where can they reach you?

Simon Ursell [00:47:05]:
LinkedIn's best place. Simon Ursel, you are Sforsugar. E double L. Send me a message, Rusty. Where can we find you?

Rusty Earnshaw [00:47:12]:
TikTok? No, not really. LinkedIn, Russell Anshaw, and then the same on Twitter. But please ignore all my political thoughts.

Simon Ursell [00:47:19]:
Yeah, second that.

Rusty Earnshaw [00:47:21]:
Over and out.